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Jonathan Kolber's avatar

Powerful stuff, Julian!

I suggest that there is a further line of thought indicated here: what are the necessary and sufficient conditions for the kind of life that can expand beyond its world of origin?

It seems to me that this requires the (probably rare) star-and-open-ocean origin (needs a catchy phrase for a name).

Life confined to water without a gaseous atmosphere won't develop mastery of fire or of electricity, at least in any scenario *I* can imagine. Without those, it won't develop mining, metallurgy, advanced tools, or spacecraft.

Also, how does such life further the evolution of the universe?

I am sure that many of us would welcome a future essay exploring this!

Best,

Jonathan

PS--If of interest, you might want to also explore the emergent DMT-verse; a domain in which PhD level researchers are now expressing confidence that there are repeatedly accessible dimensions with specific attributes. If correct, this would be yet another aspect of the evolving universe.

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William's avatar

Awesome post, Julian! Two thoughts/ questions about the Hill sphere and tidal forces...

1. The hill sphere for free planets is much larger than for captive planets, but are there other limits on how far out a moon can be and still experiencel forces from eccentricity enough to create oceans? I guess it depends on the eccentricity more than the distance... My thinking is just that the hill sphere isn't quite the whole story re how many ocean bearing ploons you'd expect to find. (I guess the gravity of the ploons themselves could also help hear each other up? But not much, I'd have thought)

2. If you have a ploon orbiting a binary stannet, presumably the double-tidal forces there are even more effective at generating heat than around a single stannet? On the other hand, forming stable ploon orbits seems likely to be much harder around double stannets. I guess it doesn't matter for the theory as a whole but I wonder if you think that binary stannets would be over represented or under represented as hosts of ocean bearing ploons.

(Written on my phone, sorry for phone artifacts)

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